Prabhupada das remembers In this second chapter, Kṛṣṇa teaches transcendental knowledge and His practice of practical application. Knowledge is not meant to give food for endless speculations resulting in indolence. It should be applied in our life. Because if it’s not practically applied, it actually has no meaning.
Just like this, let’s say, I say here, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. There’s 11 columns here in the middle.
So now what?
Do you understand? It’s knowledge, it’s facts, but it doesn’t have any use, it’s no meaning. So if there’s no use, it doesn’t have any meaning.
So to just take something and speculate on it, and the pleasure of speculation is your reward, is your fruit or your taste, then that means you’re wasting your time. Right? In other words, the contemplation should end in results of application. If it doesn’t apply, then it’s basically useless.
Yes? Is there a way of transforming avidya into aparavidya? Avidya into aparavidya.
Aparavidya means it’s material knowledge that’s connected to paravidya.
That’s why it’s connected to para. Apara means it’s not paravidya, but the knowledge is connected to paravidya. It’s not transcendental knowledge, it’s material knowledge, but it’s connected to. So if it’s connected, then it’s useful. But if it’s not connected, it’s not useful. Like that question came up, Srila Prabhupada, they were in New York, and a point was being made about how the spiritual master knows everything. And so then, you know, one smart guy, then he asks, you know, so if you know everything, then can you tell me how many windows there are in the Empire State Building? You know, kind of like that kind of challenge. And then Prabhupada just looked at him and said, how many windows in a mirage?
Right? You know, in other words, it’s illusion, so what does it matter how many windows are in it? Right? So it only becomes real when it’s connected to Krsna. That’s why when devotees take facts so important, but unless those facts are actually connected to Krsna, right, by the processes that are being given here, just to say it’s connected, that’s, anybody can say anything. But unless it’s connected, then it’s just facts, it’s just counting, you know, counting the, you know, waves on the ocean of illusion. You know, it’s just, it has no meaning. So one has to be able to apply what one gets, right? So in other words, one will contemplate, but the purpose of contemplation is to get it to application, right? Many just like to think because they don’t want an end to the thinking, because the intellectual process for them is very tasty, right? This is the, you know, I could say the cardinal rule in modern academia. You cannot, absolutely cannot say here is a conclusive statement and that ends the contemplation.
Like that, it’s not allowed. No intellectual would agree to that, because they’re an intellectual because of the taste they get out of it. So that is their taste. They don’t know that there’s a taste beyond where you can contemplate the application of the conclusion, right? And that’s even higher. But, you know, they’re stuck on because of being based on being an atheistic, you know, school. Then there is no taste of connecting it with the Lord or with some other aspect. It’s just, it’s not there. You know, that disappeared. That option is not there. Then in their personal life, yes, but in an intellectual platform, no. Yes? Is it part of that place of seeing Krishna’s intelligence, Krishna’s plan? You can, but the thing is, that means that Krishna, does he do anything just because it can be done, right? You know, like the guy was asked, he took a rocket engine and connected it to a motorcycle, you know, and drove it across the Bonneville salt flats, right? And then an interviewer asked him, why did he do this? They just looked at him with this wild look in his eyes and said, because it could be done.
You know, so I mean, so that’s why Krishna does things.
Right? Why does Krishna do things?
Yes, relationship.
So if it doesn’t enhance relationship, it’s useless. So relationship means it’s applied. Right?
So what is your purpose? What’s your relationship with, that one would just continue speculating? It’s just intelligence and facts. That’s the relationship.
But it’s not, it’s not, it’s dead. It’s not dynamic.
So this is the problem, yes. Can I ask, if this is waste of time, this kind of analytical thinking, then how can one, in a way, use it or apply it if he has this tendency? The point is, is that what is your purpose of contemplating it, right? It means, in other words, there has to be a reason you contemplate it.
Right? So if your reason is to find its application, then all that contemplation is, you know, correct.
Yes. I mean, what are you contemplating or what are you doing when you’re contemplating something?
Yeah, analyzing, right? Yeah. Okay. So it means, in here, we’re saying that we’re using it that way. Right? It means it’s also used in contemplating the senses, then one becomes attached.
Okay. So the analyzation, then, should be in connection with an application.
Right? Like, just like you see is that scientists are dealing with so many things and they’re thinking about and going this way and that way and they never come to any conclusion, right? And much of the time, you never hear about whatever they’re working on, either. What do you hear about? What scientific achievements do we actually hear about? The applications, right? Right? Yeah. Some intelligent person who knows how the world works takes that scientific development and then makes it into something that you can sell. Right? Or you can use it to have influence or power. Right? They’ll take it and apply it. Then you hear about it. Right? Just like, I don’t know if you ever noticed, like in the Time Newsweek and that, in the very back they have a section on science. You know, it’s like sometimes just a few, a column or a few, depending on what’s there. You’ll see amazing things there. And then you’ll never hear of them again.
Right? Because someone hasn’t turned it into business yet. Right? Or it is something important and some government’s using it for influence. Right? So you’re not going to hear about it until they get tired of it. You know, just like watching some documentary. There’s this guy in Jaipur. I think he’s Western. He was in Jaipur and he was studying those langur monkeys, the big, big monkeys. And how they jump and do different things like that. So he’d find a place where all these monkeys are and watch their patterns so he knows where they’re going to always be jumping and stuff like that. So then he sets up his camera. This camera takes, I think it’s 10,000 shots or something.
I think a minute or something. Per second. Some ridiculous amount. So he has this huge camera. He has to set up a computer, a whole different thing like this. And what this is, this is, you know, for the armed forces, this is considered archaic technology.
So therefore now, you know, your wealthy photographers, they can get this stuff and use it. They would use it for, they would shoot their cruise missiles and they would see how they would operate. So they would take it like that and they can study it, you know, 10,000 of them a second at a time to see exactly what it does so they can improve it. So that means if this is considered archaic, so what do they have? You know what I’m saying? So when it comes to the point where they don’t need it anymore, then it comes down to then the businessman takes it and then he makes his profit out of it. But in any case, you never hear about the scientist and he probably never makes any money off of it. Why? Because he can’t apply it. That’s the point.
So just because it’s intellectual doesn’t mean Brahmins don’t apply it. Because if you apply it, it changes your life. You apply the philosophy, it changes your life. You don’t apply it, it doesn’t change your life. And so when devotees say, oh, this philosophy, that’s all theory, that means they never apply philosophy in their own life. That’s what it means. Otherwise someone who applies philosophy in their life would not speak like that.
Unless, of course, they’re applying it and they can understand you’re not, so then they make the comment that it’s just theory. So you also have to be a little careful.
Okay. The natural and ultimate progression of knowledge is bhakti. Bhagavad Gita confirms this in several places. After many births and deaths, he who is actually in knowledge surrenders unto me, knowing me to be the cause of all causes and all that is. Such a great soul is very rare. Bhagavad Gita 7.19 So it means in actual knowledge you understand Krishna’s position. He’s the ultimate worshipable deity. So many other aspects are there, but still those are only stages to get to this ultimate understanding. Because Krishna’s mentioning all these levels of Brahman and Paramatma and the creation and all these things, but he says, I am beyond that. So when it comes to that understanding, that’s then what’s talked about here. So that’s more rare.
One who is factually convinced of this opulence and mystic power of mine engages in unalloyed devotional service. Of this there is no doubt. I am the source of all spiritual and material worlds. Everything emanates from me. The wise who perfectly know this engage in my devotional service and worship me with all their hearts. Bhagavad Gita 10.7-8 So factually convinced means you can apply it. So again we see application.
Whoever knows me as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, without doubting, is the knower of everything. He therefore engages himself in full devotional service. To me, O Sanabharata. Bhagavad Gita 15.19 So this is just also, just on a second point, this gives us, see here as we’ve seen here from, you know, after it takes a long time, means someone has to be very convinced. Actual knowledge means they surrender. He’s the cause of all causes. It means so many causes are there. You know, Haranyagarbha is, you know, expanding all the different things in the universe, but still the ultimate cause of all this is Krishna.
It means Krishna is doing this. So he’s ultimately the one. You know, you see these things. One understands this opulence and power, how he can do everything. One is free from doubt.
Does that make sense? So there’s so many aspects we see coming from these three verses. One in the 7th chapter, one in the 10th. I mean, 7th, 10th and 15th chapter. But it’s the same point. But you see different angles of it. See, this is what we mean by Vichara. Looking at the same point from different angles.
So, in here, then, this study, we’re going through chronologically. So here and there, we’ll find that. So that’s the first study. Is looking at the chronological, so you know the work, you know how it goes, nothing is missed. And it’s also the proper respect for the scripture. Right? Because the scripture is a person. Then the second study is analyzing it according to the points being made. Yes, so that means next year, then, like this, you have this point. Then anywhere in the Gita where these points are, in the verses and the purports, that would be all drawn together so that then you can look at it from all the angles and broaden your understanding.
Then it’s considered, now you know the work. Right? Does that make sense? So that’s the idea.
In renunciation through wisdom, in the chapter entitled, Bhakti resides in perfect knowledge of the Supreme, Srila Prabhupada writes, Wherever the word jnana appears in the Vedic literature, it should be understood to mean sambandha-jnana, knowledge of the relationship between the Lord and His energies. It does not refer to the impersonalist concept of the Supreme. After a person understands sambandha-jnana, he comes to the stage of abhidheya-jnana, knowledge of how to act in his relationship with the Supreme Lord. This is devotional service, practiced by liberated souls. The mature stage of abhidheya-jnana leads one to love of Godhead, the ultimate goal of all living entities. So here, like we see Madhvacharya makes the same point, is that whenever you see these different terms, they actually mean, you know, what’s in relationship to the Vaisnava philosophy. They don’t mean something else, but they’re spoken in such a way that those who aren’t interested in Vaisnava philosophy will be able to find their own meaning. Right? Like the shastra says, that by doing this, then one will attain that place from which one will never return.
Or one will, by doing this, one will attain the deathless state. That would be even a, you know, does that make sense? So, now, what will that mean to the karmic?
The heavenly planets, because that’s amara, it’s the deathless state. What will it mean to the impersonalist?
Brahman. Right? Because that’s also the deathless state. Right? What will it mean to the devotee?
Right, yeah. It means the spiritual planets.
And then for, you know, Gaudiya’s, then it would mean Vrindavan.
Right? Does that make sense? So, it’s written in such, so, actually, what is the scripture trying to say?
Yes, in other words, you do this, you’ll go back to Godhead. Right? But for someone who doesn’t want to do that and go back to Godhead, then they can still follow Shastra. And, they will elevate themselves to whatever platform they want. Because it’s still God’s creation. So, you want to move around God’s creation, you still have to follow his laws.
Does that make sense?
It’s still laws. You want to do things, then there’s still, laws are still there.
So, yeah. And then we also see here where Prabhupada is talking sambandha, abhidheya and prayojana. Because when you have the knowledge of sambandha, then you’ll move to the point of how you’re going to apply it. And having applied it, then that will bring you to the stage of the results.
Does that make sense?
Real knowledge must lead to devotional service. When devotional service is based on knowledge, it’s factual study. In other words, if the knowledge brings you closer to Krishna, closer to practicing devotional service, then it is real knowledge. If by studying that branch of knowledge you go away, then that’s ignorance.
So many times devotees take up some branch of study. Right? And then after becoming proficient in it, then that’s ignorance. And that’s when you stop seeing them. Right? They become good at Vastu or astrology or Ayurveda or something else, or they go back to university and get some kind of degree, you know, like this. And then that’s when you stop seeing them. So, according to this, that’s not real knowledge.
Right? Because aparabhidhya means it’s connected to the philosophy. Applied, practically. If it’s not connected to the philosophy, the same knowledge is avidhya, ignorance. So Ayurveda can be aparabhidhya or avidhya. That’s why you see some devotees use it and they’re very nice devotees and it’s just part of, you know, the culture. And others use it and it becomes their identity, their whole lifestyle. Then they expect the whole world to do like that and you don’t find anything devotional about it.
You understand?
And so, like that. And then it might still have the Indian flavor so they kind of remind you like an Indian, you know, Vaidya or like that. Or they’ll transform it into some kind of Western thing. Does it make sense? So, that’s the difference between aparabhidhya and avidhya. It’s the exact same knowledge. It’s connected to Krishna through the philosophy. Then it becomes aparabhidhya. It’s not. It’s avidhya.
Yes? Maharaj, it appears that to practice this knowledge that we’re getting, we need a character. A character. Yeah. So how do we build this? Oh, it means like personal character, not character. It means like a some kind of… Oh, just to imply we need to do something. Many people just keep this for themselves. They never get to this point. Yes.
Yeah. That’s why the educational system has to be integrated into the natural form of the movement.
Because Krishna, in the Gita, will explain how not the the system of knowledge in tad -bhini-padi-patena-padi-prashnena-sevaya means if it’s not applied it can’t be done. You won’t be able to gain much. In other words, those who are only academics there’s only so much they can gain then they stop.
So unless you’re applying it only then you can go farther because otherwise the cup becomes full and you can’t put any more inside. Does that make sense? So so either it’s like you see that’s why in the Vedic system the two go together. The students you know they do service the sadhana in the day and then they study. So it’s basically you know half sadhana, half study. Then they’re able to progress. But otherwise if you check most that are actually able to come and sit down they’re either very new people so they’ll come do something and go away you won’t see them for a long time or they’re devotees who have done a lot of service and then they come and sit down and not be able to do. Does that make sense? So in other words the two go together. You do the service you can absorb more. You’ve done no service you can’t absorb anymore.
So that’s why there must be service. You know the sadhana is there and there should be ideally more beyond that. Something you know like that. But and that service must be something that you see in connection to the Lord. You know you’re cleaning your house because this is how Krishna likes it this is the pancharatra rule. You know if it’s just your house and you clean it that doesn’t work as seva. Seva means application of the paravidya.
So that way then the aparavidya being used then acts in that way because it’s connected to the Lord.
So it’s kind of like if you use this knowledge then you’ll be able to use this knowledge. Basically. You know like Prabhupada says if you want to be sincere then you have to be sincere.
Because basically the qualification for devotional service is just that you want it. That’s all. So many things that we do are just ways to purify ourselves and connect ourselves to Krishna. But the real point is we just want it. You want it then it will happen.
Because what were we saying before from desire comes what? Endeavor. And then comes result. So if you don’t want it there’s no endeavor.
Does that make sense? Because the modern academy has made knowledge and practical application many times separate. Some disciplines engineering or medicine or law IT these things are considered practical or something. But much of the academic world is not. Of course the part that is practical are the ones getting the jobs and the ones that aren’t. What do you do with an appreciation of Greek literature degree? Great, nice, refined everything like that. But the only job you get is teaching other kids about it. I hope.
You went and came back alive.
That’s it. Does that mean you’ll be teaching class today? Yes.
Very good.
Does this make sense? Because devotion comes from devotion. Bhakti comes from bhakti. There is no other separate idea. So this idea is I’ll get it from something else. No. Simply you apply it that will give you the qualifications to accept more. So in other words these things that are there contemplate them how they apply in your life. Why do you do what you do? Wherever you are but easier go home, sit down take a chair put it in a place where you can really see the house nicely and then just look from item to item or the whole thing. Why do you do that? Why it’s there? Why did you put something where it is? Why are the curtains like that? Or are there curtains? What are you sitting on? Why are you sitting on that? Why not something else? Why did you choose that? You know what I’m saying? Go through and then you’ll start to see is that how much you’re applying or not applying in your life what you do. Does that make sense? You know, it starts the process and you think why do you do what you do? What do you do in a day? What’s your schedule? Why?
And then you start to see is that you can connect everything to Krishna. You just have to think about it. You have to contemplate. Right? Does that make sense? It’s just that’s just an exercise. One doesn’t have to be doing anything. Does that make sense? It’s just because generally that’s where we do the least amount of thinking. Right? It’s at home. It’s just the way we like it. You know what I mean? Does that make sense? So it’s just the place to start. So does it mean that any activity we’re doing unless it’s sinful some sinful activity can be connected to Krishna? Any activity can be connected to Krishna if it’s not sinful. Technically even the sinful can. But the point is what you’re looking for is Krishna. So Krishna has better ways to do it than through the sinful activity. You know what I’m saying? The person is sinful is the person why is he eating meat? What’s the reason? He likes the taste. So what is it about the taste he likes?
The taste he’s getting is Krishna. But the medium what is it about the medium that he likes?
It’s the fat. So therefore without killing the animal you can just take the milk and get the cream and make butter and all this and that and cook with that.
Right? You’ll get the same taste. But now instead of being in the mode of ignorance that’ll be the mode of goodness.
And then now you can offer that to Krishna. And then you’ll get a taste beyond that. Then you get even more of a direct. You understand? So that’s the thing is even the sinful the reason it works or is attractive is because of Krishna. Right? That very low-grade medium. So it’s not when it starts getting into that that’s where then you start getting into the transformations of Vishnu and Lakshmi into Shiva and Parvati. And Shiva and Parvati is the pious side. So then down Kalabhairava another such wild like there’s a one form of Durga it’s a sub for there’s the ten main and there’s ones below that. She’s called Matangi. Matangi is a girl who sleeps with strangers and likes to eat anybody’s remnants.
Right? No. Go home with somebody never know sleep the night get up in the morning go look in the fridge pick things out start eating it doesn’t matter what it is. You ever heard of that? Okay.
So this is one of these forms. You know what I’m saying? So we’re thinking oh, she’s just doing what she likes she’s independent she’s a no, she’s just she’s just has the mentality so that potency of Matangi is just manifested.
So like that there’s all everybody thinks they’re doing their own thing. No, these are pretty standard stuff.
Does she wear the miniskirt? I’m not sure what she wears.
No, that the miniskirt out of arms and that that’s Kali. Because generally when you and she is one of the little bit upper end ones the lower end ones they don’t even bother wearing anything. Right? And one of them runs around with their own head cut off.
So it’s like Maharaj, so you treated me at a previous point so there will be a benefit in doing the same exercise to what I do in terms of activities for Krishna Yes in terms of my service Yes, yes, yes means on the I mean, yeah that was that’s even probably more positive. It’s just even just what you are doing that you do see a connection to Krishna if you analyze it then you can see how to improve it. Right? But the point as is being made here is not to just sit around and analyze is that you do something with it. Having analyzed it of course that itself is a service but now it’s going to be the next step is to actually use that analyzation in your life.
But ultimately then it comes down to Krishna is the one He is the Supreme so at whatever level you are seeing the Supreme in however still Him as a person is the ultimate. So it’s got to be you want to please Him therefore if we’re working at a level that’s not ideal then you’re trying to get it to that level to please Him not because it’s good or because that’s what’s going to get you out of the material world and that. No, it’s to please Him. Then it becomes devotion.
Srila Prabhupada summarizes the second chapter in his purport to verse 72 Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur has summarized the second chapter of the Bhagavad Gita as being the contents for the whole text. In the Bhagavad Gita the subject matters are karma yoga jnana yoga and bhakti yoga. In the second chapter karma yoga and jnana yoga have been clearly discussed and a glimpse of bhakti yoga has also been given as the contents for the complete text.
So in other words these are all there bhakti has been touched upon but to solve this problem doesn’t mean I mean just he’s having a material problem you can solve the material problem by dealing on this lower level.
Right? It means this doesn’t require pure unalloyed devotion to solve this problem. Right? Because he’s working in the realm of varnashrama. Right? And he’s worried about all these good qualities that you know varnashrama you know includes.
And so based on that then you know your karma yoga should work. But he doesn’t see it because much of the time devotees have a problem or anyone just has a problem seeing that the how do you say the spiritual can be applied in a very ordinary situation.
Right? It’s always it has to be something different.
No. It’s just the ordinary situation you apply the devotional concept. Right? So your ordinary situation of activity right? Karma is connected to the Lord. So it becomes karma yoga. Right? That doesn’t work. Then there’s the element of then the jnana yoga. What is the knowledge? The soul this and that. Why are you worried? You know? Like the soul is eternal. So you’re saying you’re killing them. You can’t kill them.
Right? So these and then bhakti is touched upon. That’s you know ultimately it has to be done for him. But that will come out more. Does that make sense?
And basically you could say because means he’s surrendered but his attachments are so great he’s not seen beyond that because we’ll see that’s what comes up here is he can’t he’s still trying to distinguish between material and spiritual. Right? Because the general thing is this okay material is you know all this varnashrami doing my duties and I’m attached and I want a result and spiritual means I don’t want any of that. Right? I’m the soul you know there’s so I don’t get involved in all these things. Right? So these two are easy. Right? Karma and jnana we’re very used to these. But bhakti means that same karma is now seen with spiritual understanding. And you still perform that activity. You don’t perform the activity for the purpose you were performing it before. You perform it now for the higher principles that this knowledge gives.
Does that make sense? So that’s the difficult point.
So that’s why it’s like we had our life and then you join the temple and shave up and whatever you do in that temple generally you know is different from anything you did before. Even going to the toilet is different. You know there’s nothing that’s the same.
But and so then if someone can continue that life great less confusion. But there’ll still be confusion about those who live outside the temple. Right? The community. And the community can be either more progressive or less progressive depending upon their ability to see. Either they’re new and fresh so they don’t make so much discrimination so then they’re doing fine. Or someone actually has a proper spiritual understanding. But generally the ones in between these two positions don’t do as well. Because the temple that’s spiritual so what they’re doing is not they don’t call it spiritual they call it practical.
You know? You know you you know you left the temple you know you got a job you know you bought yourself a place so they say oh I’m just being practical Prabhu or they’re saying just being spiritual Prabhu.
No. Because it’s not seen that way. So then you have spiritual and you have practical.
But what’s the point that’s being made here? This end of this this study is the spiritual must be practical. Right? So that means then okay you’re being practical but how is it practical? If all you’re doing is making money and feeding your family how is that practical? Practical for what? What is the goal? Because practical means you’re getting results. So what result are you getting?
Right? Okay. A well fed family. Nice. And then more than that? Right? So then it’s not, no but they’re devotees so it’s prasad. Okay. So then great. Now you’re starting to see it connected to the spiritual. So therefore it’s not just practical the point is you’re maintaining your family who are devotees so that they can perform service for Krishna.
Right? Now it starts to become spiritual. Now you’re starting to look at karma yoga. But before that it was just practical. It was just mundane like anybody else. You know the cat goes out catches a bird brings it back home for the kittens. Same thing. No difference. One may say well I’m human but it’s not any different.
Does this make sense? Yes. So if we’re in a situation where someone’s in a situation and they are feeding their family prasad and maintaining them so that they can perform service but if they are not consciously aware that that is the purpose with which they’re going out and working every day then they’ll get less benefit. Means in other words they have that idea. You know one day they sit down and think like that and so that then motivates them and they go on. So they’ll get benefit for that. But if they’re able to see that regularly or consistently then they’ll get more benefit. You know what I’m saying? Just like you’re chanting your japa you’re getting benefit. But if you’re aware of what you’re chanting you get more benefit. You understand? So it’s like that. So that’s why the buddhi yoga means the activity and the knowledge are combined. So you’re aware. It means you’re going to be you’re stuck in traffic for two hours going to work and coming back. So you can be bored to death you can hate your job you can hate this you can hate everything or you can contemplate Krishna.
Because you gotta be there anyway.
So it’s just a matter of what you want from it.
You know what I’m saying? That’s what is being offered. It’s not a matter of changing. It’s not that now Arjuna is a devotee you know nicely and is realized so now you know he doesn’t have to go around when he wants to fight there’s no obstacles, right? No, there’s an elephant dead right in the middle of his path so he’s gotta go around. You know? Does that make sense?
But the point is he’s doing it for Krishna.
Yes?
Wouldn’t go to the toilet. Yes.
Because it’s spiritual food. But the point is everything’s Brahman. That’s the point. The difficulty comes is that people see things on the mundane platform because they don’t understand everything’s Brahman. But the point is it’s the quality of which you see that. So for us it’s you know, Brahman meaning the supreme Brahman Krishna as a person so we see it you know, it’s his creation his, you know so that brings it into him as a person means the culture and the interaction becomes the prominent. On that level. But then done in the devotional platform. All these others then it’s you’re seeing more the mechanics of it.
But that’s the whole you know, Prabhupada mentions the pure devotee you know, even passing urine is service.
Right? That’s like, you know how do you bend your head around that, right? You know, but the point is one, you’re maintaining the body you know, so many different things it’s just the mechanics of how the whole thing works. You know.
Does that make sense? So, the problem is is that you know, very you know, as long as it’s immaculate it’s very easy to deal with. You know, like that. Once it goes past that point it becomes a bit messy for the mundane mind to deal with. Right? So that’s why there’s so much insistence on, you know everything being all on that platform anything that’s not it’s not God’s creation it’s the devil’s.
But that means there’s someone as powerful as God. You know, in fact more powerful he can control you. Same time, if you have faith then you can break through that. But remember who’s breaking through it?
You do it. You just had faith in God therefore you did it. It’s not that God did it. In other words God has no potency until you get out of the material world. You understand? So because there’s so many bad things in the world and so God to keep him in the idea that he’s good and keep respect for him then we have to see that he’s not connected to any of this. And because God’s good so what’s bad that must mean there’s someone else.
Does this make sense? So these are the problems. coming into devotional service then there’s going to be a problem like this. It means those from your more Asian religions and that there’s a little bit more of the culture is synonymous with the religion. There is a culture that goes with it. So there’s more is integrated. So more of their daily life is integrated. So they don’t have to think about finer, finer things. You know, necessarily. It’s there. You go to the toilet you use water. Right? That’s clean. You use paper then it’s not so clean.
So right there you’ve already connected something that simple to the process.
So we can keep it going further if need be. And if not that’s complete. But if you start out with something that the culture and the religion is not synonymous and there’s good possibility there is no philosophy then you have a big problem.
So then it becomes hard to see everything in connection to Krishna.
Because it’s like you say it’s practical only because you have to do it. But you actually don’t see that it’s spiritual. But so that people you don’t want to as you know a living entity that has ego you don’t want to look bad. So therefore you say we’re just being practical or we’re not fanatic or the others are just you know pretending they’re not being honest.
If I need all these things everybody needs all these things. So if you’re saying you don’t need these things you’re pretending. You understand? So you understand where all these things come in? So this is because of the lack of acceptance of the culture of Krishna consciousness.
Because Varna Ashram includes grihasthas.
Right? But most devotees’ concept of spiritual isn’t grihastha. Sadhana yes but not the family side. Ashram includes it’s mainly sadhana and the activities that go with that and activities of elevation.
But there is the option to include family life as part of that process.
So that doesn’t get connected really.
You understand? You know to sit down in the evening having kirtan with the family and have a mangal arti you know that’s ok but then ok so that’s one hour. Now? 23 hours? Now what?
Shastra gets down to everything that’s the thing why do I say it’s not practical Shastra gets down to everything it says even what side of the bed the husband and wife sleep on. So even that then is according to Shastra. It’s connected if nothing else.
You know what I’m saying? Little things you get out of bed you put your right foot on the floor first.
You know it’s just like you have it from the you know got out of what? Got out of bed on the wrong foot what is it? Yeah got out of the wrong side of the bed you know got out of the wrong foot you know because the point is the man sleeps on the right side the woman sleeps on the left so that means he’ll get out on the right now if he got out and got out on the left he got out on the wrong side of the bed you know put your best foot forward which is your best foot that’s the right foot so all these things are lost because the cultures disappear like that you could probably yeah I would say is you have to give a lot of credit to the inquisition for this is it reversed between man and woman like when they enter a room man should put the right foot first and the woman has to put the left foot first no it’s just maybe but the point is it’s it’s a that no foot’s not that it’s just the side of the body it’s not everything it’s that way just like in the marriage then one of the seven vows is always put your right foot forward then bring up the left never put the left foot in front of the right right because the right foot represents proper activity and the left will be other things so it means the proper activity other things you connect always through the proper activity like if you’re doing the saptapati that’s how they walk so it’s so one would understand that it’s not with the foot you know right side the left side the body but that’s the point man’s on the right side woman’s on the left side right so if they’re considered one body he’s the right she’s the left so the masculine is the right side the feminine is the left side so in the man’s body the right side is the auspicious on the woman’s body the left side is the auspicious that doesn’t mean still the activity is the right foot still eat with the right hand yeah still eat with the right hand yes aren’t some people would consider these as smarter rules yeah smarter rules what about that you know you have to wear your blue jeans and a t-shirt when you go to the mall every one of those quote unquote practical devotees wears that so it’s not and that is smarter what does that mean smarter what does smarter mean attached to the rules did the smarters make the rules no no who made the rules Smriti Smriti God so if you follow the rules for the wrong purpose you know just that following the rule makes it right that’s called smarter right but if you reject the rules and don’t follow them because you don’t like following rules you want to make them all up yourself that’s called Yavana right Mleccha means meat eater Yavana means one opposed to the Vedic principles so so that that you will say it’s smarter that’s a Yavanic rule right you have to oppose any rule there devotees will create their own rules on everything right someone does something wrong here then they’re kicked out for two years why two why not one and a half why not three you know what I’m saying why two you know what I’m saying where did that come from right and everyone goes yeah okay that’s cool but why why two what did the Shastras say what did they do because in the Shastra it gives amounts of years of what you have to do something so why did they pick two is it based on Shastra no so who made up the rule we made it up ourselves that’s fine that’s not smart right you know someone’s there there’s a rule on the book someone does something wrong and that and then they say okay we have to apply this rule right but it may be their circumstance is different but we’ll say no but people will get confused and we have to set example and you know do all that then they’ll apply the rule now isn’t that Smarta so but if it’s a bureaucratic rule Smarta is perfect bureaucrat means Smarta you understand what I’m saying so the point is is there means we’ll say the Vedic stuff is Smarta but then we’ll replace it with modern stuff with bureaucratic stuff and we’ll be just as if not more Smarta why because we’re not understanding what’s going on we’re not understanding our work where it comes from it’s basis in the scriptures it’s connection to the Supreme Lord right we have to set an example where does it say you have to set an example whose idea is that right yeah you have to know how to apply them because the Manasamhita is full of rules and why we only catch on certain rules why not other rules yes so all these rules are there but otherwise how are you going to connect that part of your life to Krishna let’s say it’s a Smarta rule so then you don’t follow it and then what so how do you connect going to the toilet to Krishna I went to the toilet and I used smear paper so how is that now you know pleasing to Krishna yeah so who wants to touch somebody who you know didn’t wash their backside you know what I’m saying what happened to the toilet I have the same problem when I go to devotees houses I have the same problem when I go to devotees houses many of these like you mentioned many of these rules and ways of connecting different aspects of our life to Krishna have been the culture has been lost no it’s still there it’s just a matter of you want to you can say it’s lost it’s a matter of whether people want to find it right is it lost that you go to the toilet and wash with water is it lost but you can go I can go to many many many grhastha’s houses and there isn’t any facility for that I would say they don’t care you know it may be if it’s newer people in the community they don’t know how is that because somebody didn’t care so they didn’t tell them so the point is not by following that that’s what makes everything perfect no the point is that’s how you connect that part of your life to Krishna right everyone goes to the toilet right so it’s a major part of your life so why can’t we connect that to Krishna right you know sleeping it’s a major part of our life right so therefore before you take rest you offer basances offer your activities of the day to the Lord you know and in doing that you contemplate what I could have done better right then you go to sleep in the morning you wake up first thing chant the holy name offer basances that you’ll now you know be able to engage in the day nicely you know and the gap in between you don’t really notice so much it’s been six hours but you remember the offering base of before and after so these are ways to connect so right there that’s possibly you know let me say if you’re taking you know we’re taking the textbook okay six hours there and then you’re in the toilet you know it could be an hour or so in the day right then we add in bath and these things like that so brushing your teeth all these things so that’s maybe eight that’s one third of your day and then people will call this Martha this is like this is like no brains you know what I’m saying they can’t make the discrimination that okay following just to follow yes that’s useless but not understanding and not following it is just as useless but they’ll consider no I’m an intellectual I thought about it I didn’t just follow so I’m independent I’m intelligent no you’re just as stupid as the other guy in fact you’re not as pious you’re smarter but less pious well the other guy followed just because you’re supposed to do it but at least he’s following so he’s pious but pious and impious both are mundane but as we notice it says for pious men surrender and for impious men don’t so therefore we can see Krishna recommends the pious platform as opposed to the impious impious platform for surrender that’s for mlecchas and yavanas so if you want to categorize yourself like that great but I doubt many devotees will agree to that they’ll try to keep their dignity even though there isn’t much not that they shouldn’t be offered for previous service and everything but at the present moment sometimes not much is going for them and they’re trying to defend their position but the point is here is Arjuna first defends his position he presents himself as very religious and everything but then he surrenders and gives up that attempt right?
and it’s not that he just blindly follows he’s asking questions all through like that yes?
another question but how is it that when we’re getting knowledge we can only we can only keep learning if we are performing service at the same time? we can only keep how often why is it when we’re learning unless we’re we can only absorb as much knowledge as we’re as their service because the means when you apply something then it increases your field right?
does that make sense? like that so the field gets bigger so therefore then you can because any result service creates results results come back to sambandha you can the field so the field gets bigger so now with that bigger field now you can do more with it right? so you analyze that bigger field then you can apply and get I mean you can perform activity get results so you will have desire for more knowledge yes you’ll desire so by performing service you’ll have desire to know right? because aniruddha always comes back to vajumna vajumna is desire so the interest in know will happen because of your application right? then you will ask questions right? means wanting to know not challenging challenging you can do if that’s all you want to do the point is is that you ask questions why then you can find out so it means as you serve that knowledge you have it will automatically you will realize by contemplating your knowledge it means you’ll realize that if you contemplate and practice that gives realization if you only contemplate or only practice that will give you understanding right? one will have a theoretical understanding one a practical understanding but they’ll neither will get realization in conclusion the conclusion that arjuna should fight was established by the lord in the very beginning of bhagavad-gita the physical activity thus being settled the lord will gradually refine arjuna’s motivation from karmakanda through karma yoga to pure bhakti the second chapter revealed the real nature of the soul in the next chapters the lord will explain the method to realize this nature by naiskarmiya in other words the soul is there and then you can realize through detached work because we want realization if you don’t do detached work that you do work but you are not detached that will increase that will cover that knowledge and if you have performed you are detached but performed no work it’s not practically applied so it will never become realized so only the devotee actually realizes the others don’t so chapter 3 karma yoga in the third chapter the lord explains that everyone must engage in some sort of activity but actions can either bind one to this material world or liberate one from it he didn’t say what actions he said action itself that’s what’s being given is that there are recommended actions because they are the most consistent with the culture of krishna karma why do we worry about culture why do we it’s a spiritual movement why do we worry about culture it’s the application but why is that the application as opposed to to dhyana easiest way to see krishna ok but why is it easy we have needs ok it’s related to abhidaya it’s related to abhidaya it’s relationships ok we’re getting close the result comes from activity ok so in what way do you get the best result by the best activity and how do you define best activity what’s pleasing to krishna so that means because krishna is a person and krishna wants to interact with the devotees right that interaction is the culture of krishna consciousness right does that make sense paramatma is not interacting in that way or brahman so in those levels the culture isn’t the prominent element but because krishna says he’s a person ultimately therefore that’s where the culture is but the point is do we see that culture connected to krishna or not right it’s directly connected we call it devotional activity it’s indirectly connected we call it aparavidya right it’s not connected it’s abhidaya it’s ignorance right so it can get very confusing in here because you’re having overlapping definitions but the consistent point is is connection to krishna or not is it pleasing to krishna or not is it free from karma and jnana or not that’s your consistent point does it make sense so if that can be caught then it’s not confusing so that’s why krishna just says but actions can either bind one or free one so any action can bind one or free one depending upon how you’re seeing it right like that and then the ultimate freeing one is having a relationship with the lord does this make sense by acting for the pleasure of the supreme without selfish motives one can be liberated from the law of karma and attain transcendental knowledge of the self and the supreme so by acting for the pleasure of the lord means it’s being the results for the lord naisakamya whether it’s by sannyasa renunciation it doesn’t matter does that make sense sannyasa means it’s already the lord so it’s on a higher level and I get it and then I give it to the lord that’s on a lower level right but in any case one’s acting for the lord without selfish motives so that means then means you’re acting for the pleasure of the supreme so that means you’re aware of the supreme is favorable to the supreme and without selfish motives is free from karma and jnana one can be liberated from the law of karma and attain transcendental knowledge so through karma comes jnana right in other words you perform activity you will get knowledge right so pious activity gives knowledge so devotional service which is so much more powerful then you’ll get spiritual knowledge otherwise you just get good material knowledge like you see you meet somebody you know sixty, seventy year old guy let’s say he’s a labor right common labor if you sit down and talk with him he has quite a good understanding of the workings of the world of people their relationships you know he doesn’t know big big economics and stuff but he knows what actually works practical in relationships and that why? because he’s been doing for so long that he gets an understanding but it’s not spiritual you understand so karma will generate yawn right right you know the kid sticks his finger in the fire right so he’s performed karma and then what does that do? gives him knowledge yes gives him knowledge right so then so verses one to two Arjuna asks what is better renunciation or work right because now he’s confused you know you’re saying spiritual but then you’re saying I should do all these things but the spiritual means you’re not involved in the material right because that’s the point is it can’t material can’t be spiritual but what about material can’t be spiritual false ego that is separated from it’s separated from Krishna right so then so what why do we call it material because of the illusion that it’s not connected in other words everything is connected maya means we don’t see the connection so material energy or the external energy we call it material energy because it’s manifest because of people’s material desires technically the energy itself is not the problem right when we say illusory energy is because people are under the illusion that it’s not connected to Krishna but it’s just bahiranda shakti it’s just external energy yeah it means it just interacts with you because she’s representing the Lord so as you deal with her she reciprocates right that’s her job right so that’s why it’s mentioned in the later cantos of Bhagavatam if the devotee is consistent in trying to serve Krishna then maya herself will go to Krishna and say here’s a very sincere devotee so the point is he’s saying renunciation because he’s saying spiritual is renunciation and work is material so he’s confused he can’t see the two together so that’s what is karma yoga renunciation and work together that’s karma yoga but that’s something new no one ever does that why would you do that I have knowledge that this is useless will I do the activity no and if I think the activity will get me a result I want will I do the activity of course but will I ever do the activity and not want the result no only if you have this knowledge yeah so that’s the point that’s what Gita’s giving that’s unique right in all bodies of knowledge and then that it is a nice karma which are not spiritually motivated like nice karma yeah means you want to get liberated nice karma simply means you work without a fruitive you know desire means you won’t get observable results tangible results in the material energy but it’s still you could say ultimately fruitive because they want liberation liberation for their own enjoyment yeah it’s just like like here this is a rock right this side is smooth this side is rough okay now if I put it this way what’s prominent if I put it this way but is it two different things no so mundane consciousness is mundane consciousness right if the knowledge side is more prominent we call it gyan if the activity element of acting to get a result is prominent we call it karma that’s that’s why there’s always an overlap so it’s what’s prominent right right does that make sense so your materialism materialist thinks if I act I’ll get a result I do good work I get good results so if I avoid bad work I’ll be happy right now the person that’s been doing that for a long time understands he becomes pessimistic that I’ve done good work I’m still suffering right so therefore ultimately I have to get out of here right does that make sense so then they see you know either death will do that or you know something else will you know or some higher level so there’s a range within that there’s a range within both of these and whether they’re connected to Veda or not but it’s still one mentality just one’s more pious and one’s not right Jaimini says you perform good work you get a good result the modern materialist says you do good and be part of the system and you’ll prosper it’s the same thing just one’s based on Shastra one’s not but the principle of doing the appropriate work at the appropriate time then you get the result you’re looking for that’s the common principle that’s with Veda right and so Jaimini then goes through Shastra and shows where in Shastra these things are described and modern man doesn’t but it’s not that the principle came from modern man the principle is there in the Veda but to interpret that to draw that out separately then connecting to the Lord service to the Lord then that is atheistic so in other words the Shastra is describing Karma Yoga it’s actually describing Bhakti Yoga and then there’s an element where the Karma is more prominent or Jnana is more prominent right or later Jnana is prominent because Bhakti has all these elements and so then there’s that aspect of elevating yourself there’s the pure nature then there’s elevating yourself to that pure platform right then there is pious people who take that same thing and use it just for materialism but they still follow Shastra then there’s those who only keep the essence of the working or the practical point of it but don’t see its connection to Shastra right so that’s sinful but it still works because it’s according to God’s law but they’re applying it into an area that they’ll get sinful reaction they’ll get what they want but they’ll get sinful reaction the pious person will get what he wants won’t get sinful reaction right but it’ll still take birth again the devotee will get what he wants and at the same time advance right and then he comes to the platform of what he wants is what will make Krishna happen you understand that flow there but the working principle is the same it’s just now how this is what’s called this is this is what is meant by hermeneutics right means how you interpret the verse right so Vedanta means we interpret it according to Vedanta that’s someone else we interpret according to Vedanta that’s us we don’t interpret according to Vedanta that’s someone else yes Vedanta means is that we interpret you ultimately see there’s the supreme and the soul you know in other words the the right you know it means the soul God and the material energy what’s their relationship and the process must elevate once to some kind of higher principle so Vedanta means then you’re elevating to the spiritual platform right so the real you know the Vyasa Vedanta is then explaining devotional service yes you know does that make sense so so that’s the meaning of Mimamsa that’s is what is your interpretation of the verse how would you apply this verse like we take the verse and establish Bhakti the impersonals take the verse and establish that you know the karmis established that I mean when we first came to India you go into these Indian offices they’d be quoting British locusts right and proving their position like that you know you go in the guys you know you have a right to perform your duty right so you know you shouldn’t tell us not to do our duty my duty is to make money you know so why are you telling me to give up my money right I’m not a renunciate you know so why are you saying this you know so you know and they quote quote shlokas but they’re applying misapplying it you know they’re applying it down on on a lower level yeah they never quote the second half that was that’s always that was the one common point never quote the second half so we’d have to quote the second half and they’d have to agree that’s why they became a life member okay verses 3 to 9 buddhi yoga is better than false renunciation right because you’re engaging it rather than just getting rid of it and not replacing it right the mind and senses must be engaged so now you take them and connect it to the lord that’s the proper thing otherwise just to stop doing an activity then without you know in other words the senses are doing something for a reason so find that reason and then replace it with something that’s Krishna conscious does that make sense verses 10 to 16 human life is meant for yajna right because human means you can elevate yourself so yajna is sacrifice means voluntarily giving up something or voluntarily acting for someone else’s benefit that’s yajna so the ultimate yajna is to please the lord verses 17 to 35 in order to set a proper example Arjuna should perform his duties without attachment right so he has to in other words he may understand the philosophy but others may not but if they follow the example they will benefit so now all you have to do is add that philosophy does that make sense in other words acting from that cultured platform then they will benefit they don’t know why but because they become purified they get knowledge then they’re able to understand verses 36 to 42 how to defeat lust the eternal enemy of the soul right because we have to remember what’s the problem with lust okay never satisfied but why is it always there why is lust the eternal enemy why not something else yes that’s the point means lust is a goal you’re trying to get something so that original goal was love for Krishna that’s been transformed into lust that’s why lust features in everything right you know and amazingly so we can understand is if you never get tired of lust you know which is so substandard imagine how not tired you’ll get a prema right because this does have an end you know we’ve been here time immemorial but we’re starting now to doubt that this lust is very fulfilling you know how long it’s been that we can’t say but in any case and I won’t take any questions on this we did that last year and the year before and the year before that so but now we’re that doubt is there so now if we replace that with love for Krishna then that will eternally last right the other that means lust doesn’t eternally last because it’s not the nature of the soul but it’s replaced you know just like I’m servant of Krishna has been replaced with I am the controller and enjoyer right love as the goal of Krishna has been replaced by lust for controlling and enjoying material energy and so that means the activity is transformed into material activity well if I’m servant of Krishna my goal is to please Krishna then the activity is going to be devotional service you understand so that’s why lust is very important to defeat but he’s already dealing with it in the third chapter in connection with the activities that normally would be the our arrangement to fulfill lust you understand so this is the the superiority of the devotional process the very thing that generates the enemy is the very thing it dealt with according to Naishkaranya then gets rid of it destroys the enemy the same activity yeah fighting fire with fire but at the same time it’s there then there’s nothing left here it just keeps going you just get rid of the get rid of the enemy okay so verses one to two Arjuna asked what is better renunciation or work Arjuna asks if intelligence is better than work why does Krishna ask him to engage ask him to engage oh in such a ghastly warfare he wants Krishna to clear up the apparent confusion for his benefit now see here’s he’s found this is called a doubt he’s found because in his mind it doesn’t make logical sense right so in other words fighting on the battlefield that’s a problem right then you have spiritual knowledge right so then he says with that then you’ll have your proper understanding you get to that so now if I I can connect that proper understanding to that that fighting on the battlefield right and so fighting on the battlefield in real knowledge is equal to spiritual does that make sense so Arjuna doesn’t see that logic he sees as material they’re spiritual they don’t have a connection right you can’t see that you can perform material activities for a spiritual purpose then it’s combined you understand because logic works like this right A equals B B equals C so A equals C so generally we can’t see that A equals C the karma yoga is spiritual right the activities of karma being done with the proper knowledge is spiritual right so that’s his doubt here if intelligence is better than work which it is but the point is why does Krishna ask him to engage in this war so it’s a confusion it’s not a it’s not a misgiving right because a misgiving is simply emotional that’s in the beginning right he doesn’t want to fight this that doesn’t matter what you say he’s not you know it doesn’t but now it’s intelligence so in here he’s saying but he says it very nicely and he wants knowledge he’s not trying to he hasn’t found a flaw so therefore aha now I can defeat you or now I’m better no I found this could you please remove this doubt that’s pariprasana right and as we see by the questions he asks they can be very pointed very exact you know what I’m saying so that’s pariprasana that’s the meaning then you’ll learn not to say oh Prabhupada writes so many things in his books intelligent people won’t be able to accept that because culturally they see them as wrong so this is not right we should remove these from the book this is not pariprasana one can say no but I was just bringing up a point no you weren’t bringing up a point is Prabhupada has written all these things and Prabhupada knows what he’s talking about so why would he write these things what would be his purpose right because he said don’t change the books so why would he say that because he knows as well as anyone the social thing means he understood what was the hippie mentality and the western mentality before the hippies understood it otherwise why did he attract the hippies right so to say he’s unaware that would be foolish so then you ask well how is it what does he mean and you want to know so that it can be applied then that’s pariprasana otherwise it’s just arguing quarreling fighting you have your misgivings so in this course for us to get to that platform we must really study yes that’s the idea you should study basically the idea is that there should always be you know part of our sadhana the study but it’s many times easier if there’s a certain course that has a beginning and an end and someone is going through and there’s some it’s easier because otherwise on one’s own you know we see without a course you know not that many you know study these books so nicely there are some that did I remember I think it was Kadamakana Nirmaraj never went to a Bhakti Shastra course or anything what no I think both Kadamakana and Bhakti Vikas Maraj I think it was Bhakti Vikas Maraj came first so he just came in one day when they had the exam sat down wrote all the things and got you know one of their highest marks that they’ve ever had in their in the VIHE history like that because he studied on his own so when they asked questions he knew them but you know how many Bhakti Vikas Maraj’s are there you know that’s the point so the idea is if it’s organized then everybody can take advantage and then you know move forward because Prabhupada wanted that they would be organized just like we organized you know the preaching and organized individuals could do if it’s organized and it works more efficiently and everything like that so the idea is education is organized then it makes it easier so once you take advantage of it then study now because there will always be a time when one doesn’t have so much free time to study one has to do other practical things but now you’re able to do those practical things that align with the philosophy so now it’ll be karma yoga as opposed to just practical practical yes if they study point is you study then point is you study it you see you apply it you know what I’m saying because you have to know what it means you have to know the Vedic context like what is the is Arjuna intelligent or not materially right means if he went and took an IQ test would he do well right you know like that means he can shoot arrows so it looks like his bow is always in a circle and there’s a steady stream of arrows you can’t see the difference between the arrows right so is that skilled I’d say it’s intelligent ok but now what does Krishna call him a fool so what is foolishness based on yeah you can’t tell the difference between what’s material and what’s spiritual that’s unintelligent not something else but in the you know western English dictionary unintelligent means what yeah you don’t know anything you don’t have any brains right so then when devotees read Prabhupada says that the women have are unintelligent than the western things they have no brains right and so husbands you know like to take advantage of that cause their you know wives are stupid so then they can you know tell them to do whatever they like but the problem comes is that a lot of women are not materially unqualified right you know they have PhDs they’re very knowledgeable they’re very expert in an area so then because the men are defining it meaning unintelligent no brains and using it culturally for their own advantage then naturally what will the women do fight back and why would they fight back what’s the medium that they’re using to fight back intelligence ok so then but what’s the problem here is that the intelligence that Prabhupada is speaking about no that is approached in that way that’s the lack of intelligence he’s talking about you understand cause if for the the women is they will see rasa relationship that interaction they won’t see something else so now there’s material and spiritual so what exactly makes it spiritual cause it’s exactly the same thing just once connected once not you understand so the point is is if they’re engaged in those things connected to Krishna that’s an intelligent woman right if she’s not that’s unintelligent right now why it’s said in that capacity cause the man in the same way is also unintelligent Arjuna’s called a fool right does that mean now he’s a woman no so what it’s what it’s meaning here is the man can go there is a option in between material relation and spiritual relation right it’s just the the platform of you know spiritual does that make sense so the man can function in there women won’t function in there it doesn’t mean anything to them where’s the where’s the interaction so there’s nothing there so women go from one side to the other right so that’s the thing you put them in in a situation in which the activities and the interactions and the tastes and experiences are spiritual they’re going to do that right does that make sense but if you don’t create that environment they may do it themselves but they may not because ultimately it comes down to taste or no taste taste has to be there and if it’s not coming in the spiritual then they’ll look in other activities that’s where the less intelligent is that what talking to a devoted woman about this he said when you’re devoted then you become more intelligent he says that he discriminates yeah because then you can start to see and then you see because you do see the women see it but it doesn’t mean that they situate themselves in that interim space of the spiritual they’re just smart enough to see here’s spiritual here’s material so they take the spiritual you know what I’m saying but the man can go through that intellectual step you know what I’m saying does that make sense so that’s the difference that we’re talking here so that’s what it’s meant but anybody who doesn’t connect something to Krishna is unintelligent and anybody who does is intelligent it’s just the method it’s just the the way the nature works you know what I’m saying that’s all so that’s the element which makes that their nature needs to be protected yes means that nature needs to be protected because they will experience so therefore the man creates an environment that’s spiritual so therefore then all their experiences are spiritual that’s why they can also be easily misguided yeah they can easily go the other way right you understand but understand that if they’re misguided then in the area of misguided they do better than you you know what I’m saying in other words the man’s thinking oh I’ve got to protect the women take care of this and that but the point is because she wants the spiritual that’s why she controls him to get him to do it you understand that’s where the little reverse comes but that’s kind of left aside because unless the guy thinks he’s in control then he’s not going to work right so the women kind of finesse that one they don’t talk about it does that make sense yeah you wanted to say something you have 35 seconds creating environment creating environment means okay let us say something like living close to the temple you know having a car seat and go to the temple making facility in your house for devotional activities you know what I’m saying that kind of thing like that so once the lady has taste for it she’s going to do it herself then she’s going to get the man to run around to get so to get it so to create it does that make sense like that that taste is there so as long as that’s cultivated it goes on but you can also run into something where someone comes along and uses you know other feminine psychological warfare against her and then she changes you know she’s doing so well everyone’s praising her and saying this is great she’s such a nice devotee and then some other lady who’s you know whatever’s the position either she’s just you know very strong you know emotionally or she’s better looking or she’s in a better social position or more powerful position then she makes some comment about her oh she’s not such a devotee it’s all just show like that you know and bang she can’t do the activities you know what I’m saying so then the men have to see that those situations either don’t come up or when they do come up then they help the lady get through them sorry not controlling the situation could also be but my point is is the women will be affected more by it you know what I’m saying it’s just like this the man to do his occupation especially if it’s a job basically from beginning to end he’s just insulted but he continues doing it the women wouldn’t be able to function under that environment you know what I’m saying so therefore the men can go out and butt heads you see women who are successful in it but those women who are successful the big CEOs and this and that they’re doing all this big stuff but what do they do to that environment do they leave it as the man’s world and function in it or do they adjust it to make it compliant for the women’s nature that’s the whole thing so they won’t just leave it the way it is they will adjust it in other words they’re the CEO of the business but they’ll turn the business into their house basically right and so as long as that works and they’ve got that determinate and everything it works nice but if someone comes along and bumps it they’re gone you know of course unless they’re Angelina Jolie but that’s another thing that’s only for two hours anyways the prejumeness more fragile it’s not a matter of that everything’s more fragile because you’re dealing on a it’s to create variety it must have that changeability right in other words as we said the man will go to the same same you know shop on the corner and sit in the same seat order the same thing every day for the next you know 30 years that he’s working at that place the woman would not be able to do that if she liked it three to five days if it was excellent the best thing in the world she wouldn’t be able to do it more than five days and that, I mean that’s pushing it three is like okay you know you know what I’m saying it’s just they can’t do it it has to go to somewhere otherwise why is there a need of so many different kinds of places why are they all working because there’s a need for variety you know what I’m saying the guy will go to that diner greasy spoon right that’s what they call it in America the greasy spoon right like that do women go there no it’s the guys that go there what are the places the women go what do they look like you know nice, clean, bright light you know nice colors like that that make sense that’s the point so it has to be on it creates the environment of taste and experience and all that right the man’s drinking the cup of coffee eating the doughnut because it’s practical not because of the taste the woman’s doing it because of the taste right does that make sense you can’t have a man who’s good at taste but then it’s a science for a woman the taste is art right so art has variety science it’s it’s comfortable because of its exactness and its consistency art is inspiring because of its variety right so that’s the point it’s the man the man’s basic fundamental is the science the woman’s basic fundamental is the art so art you’re not talking intelligent science you are yes sir art would be cleverness cleverness in the heart side art would be cleverness that’s practically applied intelligence is clever that’s why you see the gopis are always referred to as clever they don’t say intelligentness sometimes they do but they mean intelligence is that they observed it clever means they get it done right so you know you have to be very very clever to be able to do the things that they do okay so job Om Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare Hare Krsna
