HH BVPS Mahārāja: Without faith nothing functions, that is why any interaction can't disturb faith. Anything that disturbs faith is not a properly applied action. So, therefore it may be in the name of so-called truth or justice, but it is just nonsense. Say what they like, it sounds good, because nowadays truth and justice, they are platitudes that are politically correct, so people buy it that all you have to do is pull those out of the hat, or a little sentiment, and everybody should leave you alone, you will get success, right? It is the completely fruitive platform: "I want success, so therefore I will come out from these platforms." But the point is is, this is not the reality. It is not just and it is not truth; if it breaks faith, because faith is what you are trying to get, you cannot call it truth, you cannot call it justice.

Mātājī: What you can't call justice?

HH BVPS Mahārāja: Something that breaks faith. You know what I am saying? Because the point is is, one is supposed to move forward, because without faith you cannot move forward. But because we are coming from a faithless background, means, material consciousness, therefore breaking of faith is just kind-of like normal. Dogs bark and, you know, mundaners break faith. Because if you break faith you maintain material existence. So we have faith in material existence, so therefore we break faith in the spiritual, or even something else and we create that constant. Material means it is always changing. So if I break faith in one thing it will change, so therefore then the mundane is... So Kṛṣṇa says, the living entities are maintaining the universe, right? We think, no, Kṛṣṇa is maintaining. No, Kṛṣṇa creates the facilities, but it is only there and it runs because of the living entities are maintaining it through their desire that it does go on. 

Because the point is is, if something breaks down, like I have seen it so many times... Means, it's kind-of like there is that kind of romantic idea that there should be something ideal, but then so many times that is broken because of this material world, devotees will put that unto the spiritual. And I have actually seen they are actually in one way happy that somebody  has fallen down or a project fell apart, and "Yeah, I knew it couldn't last..." Because if it can't last then that means my mundane consciousness and my inability to maintain spiritual focus and thrust is also okay. Do you understand? It has a fruitive purpose, having that attitude. Because then I can go ahead and do whatever I want independently. While if actually it works, the person was Kṛṣṇa conscious their whole life and went back to Godhead, or a marriage worked, or, you know, they were a good leader their whole life, or the project started off and it developed, then that means then I have to, then there is the possibility then I have to surrender to God. Maybe Guru, sādhu and śāstra is right, I have to surrender. While if it doesn't work then, "See, it doesn't work, so I can be independent." That is the underlying mentality, like that. So that is the thing, because what we do we take very seriously, therefore it seems very real and important, you know. We don't like anything that seems like a game, but the point is is, it is all a game. So now it is just a matter of, is it Kṛṣṇa's game or is it our game? That is the choice. Game it will be, it's just: whose game?