Bhagavatam Class 7.9.36 Sridham Mayapur

 

  • The Lord’s impersonal aspect is spread everywhere, but it does not mean that the Lord is impersonal.
  • Everyone has an impersonal aspect. Perceptions of qualities is impersonal, but qualities have their personal applications.

  • Many people in the scriptures are impersonalists, but still they accept the Lord.
  • The philosophy that there is nothing is completely made-up.
  • Yaja and Upayaja – one who does not make a distinction in one are will not make another.
  • If we think we can be happy in this world, we can make mistakes in other areas also.
  • We are used to accept the illusion of karma and now accept the illusion of jnana.
  • We do not see the Lord as a person because we are attached to the idea that the creation is separate from Him and that we will enjoy it.
  • Leaving that idea we will be able to see Krishna as a person.
  • We misuse Krishna’s belongings, so we are not able to face Him.
  • For the devotee universal form is simply inspiration to see Krishna everywhere.
  • Wonderful arrangements inspire us to remember people who made them.
  • Seeing the universal form and remembering the Lord’s pastimes with His devotees is actually a very advanced stage.
  • Gopis still appreciate Krishna’s all-pervasiveness.
  • Effulgence is a natural part of the person.
  • The impersonalists are only interested in the person’s effulgence.
  • Mayavadi’s don’t even accept there is a person.
  • Two businessmen deal on a personal level, even though they are only interested in impersonal.
  • Vedic impersonalists are interested in Lord’s effulgence, even though they know Lord as a person.

 

Q. What exactly did Lord Brahma see at the end of his tapasya?

  • He saw, at different stages, the universal form, and as he advanced further and became a devote, he saw the Lord in Goloka.
  • We have been Lord Brahma, but have not become a devotee.
  • Brahma’s lotus is the universal form, the masculine and feminine principles.
  • Lord Brahma underwent great difficulties to get to the stage of initiation, but by Lord Caitanya’s mercy we can attain it simply by chanting.
  • The sages did not arrange sat-sanga so people can give their opinions.

 

Q. Is the personal realization Paramatma platform?

  • It depends on our level of realization. If it is based on rules and fear it is Paramatma.
  • Technical things are not scary to the devotees, because for them it’s matter of how Krishna the person likes it.
  • The Lord is beyond time and space, so to say that His rules are old is actually atheistic.
  • Krishna makes it clear in the 11th Canto that those who do not accept His rules are actually not devotees.
  • It’s not a matter of opinions or political correctness, it’s a matter of absolute truth.

 

Q. Could you please elaborate on the meaning of time and space?

  • Krishna is time, time is action, time is what moves things and gives results.
  • Krishna enters material creation as Shiva, false ego, so that we have an identity and take material action. It is fueled by the desire to enjoy.
  • Time works on all levels, from atomic level up to the time of Lord Brahma, and up to the time of Mahavishnu. It’s all one time, but it is functioning according to everyone’s level.
  • Modern academy is scared of conclusions, because their whole existence is for the sake of speculation.
  • Vedic academy start with siddhanta – the modern even
Q. What does it mean – ‘outside time and space’? 
  • It means in the spiritual world.
  • Space in the spiritual world – we cannot fit the unlimited within our brain.
  • 11-year and 13-year olds play with words and challenge on that basis.
  • We should give it up, become mature, therefore Maharaja pokes these points.
  • Darkness has not saved anybody, we have to move on to the light.
Q. How to learn to see Krishna everywhere?
  • There is space for ‘I feel’ in our scope of applying things, but it cannot be taken as an authority.
  • Small windows in the North, big and open in the South – there is some quality there that we are looking for.
  • Chanting, worshiping etc are direct activities.
  • In the indirect activities everything is Krishna, then we look for our values there.
  • Everything is done for a quality, not for equality.
  • Nobody believes in equality, it just sounds good.
  • We have to find Krishna in our values. Whatever we value not connected to Him is illusion.
  • We consider this very technical philosophy, but it is in the opening of Krishna book by George Harisson.
  • During Prabhupada’s time we never considered becoming impersonalist, even though Prabhupada probably quoted sarvam khalv idam brahma hundreds of times.
  • Constant direct Krishna conscious activities is the best, but indirect is given, because we are not necessarily inclined towards constant direct.
  • 16 and 64 rounds.
  • The more we advance in Krishna consciousness the more we see Krishna as a person directly, everywhere.

Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out / Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out / Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out / Change )

Google+ photo

You are commenting using your Google+ account. Log Out / Change )

Connecting to %s